Boss PH-1, a theory. WRONG !!!

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Boss PH-1, a theory. WRONG !!!

Post by Old_Iron » Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:09 am

For many years now I've been hunting first batch silver screws, only 3 are missing in my collection, a TW-1 (7200), a DS-1 (7100) and a PH-1 (6400???).

I saw a TW-1 7200 for sale only once, found it in a Canadian e-commerce, google searched the name of the store and using google maps even saw the store's facade at a small Canadian town. Don't remember the names of the store and the town, didn't save the pictures of the pedal, unfortunately.

Regret that I didn't buy it, but it was expensive and adding the shipment and taxes here in Brazil (60% over the price of the good plus the cost of shipment) it would became an absurd.

If you search google images "Boss DS-1 7100" you may find some "old" pictures of a first batch DS-1, not for sale, just a guy showing off his unit. I saved that:

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Over the years, I saw a few SP-1 from November 1977, and some OD-1 too. Also saved these pictures of a pair for sale in their original styrofoam boxes, very, very, very expensive!

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But I never saw a November 1977, 6400, PH-1.

So, I can be sure that there are all first batch silver screws as described in the Boss book, batch numbers are correct in all of them, all but the PH-1.

What if there is no 6400 November 1977 PH-1?

What if Boss began producing the "traffic light" models, the SP-1 and OD-1 in November 1977, but only started producing the PH-1 by December 1977 (6500)?

A 6500 PH-1 unit, I saw a couple times.

Boss probably aimed the release of those models to the year's end sales, Christmas sales.

Maybe those models hit the stores around mid December 1977, so Boss could have built the SP-1 and OD-1 models at first, in their small (at that time) production line, and only by December they began the assembly of the PH-1.

That would explain the fact that the PH-1 is the only traffic light silver screw model that I never saw a 6400 first batch unit, even being a mentally sick, madly driven, first batch hunter like I am.

That's my theory.

Please, if you ever saw a 6400 November 1977 PH-1, tell us your story.
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Re: Boss PH-1, a theory.

Post by fernieite » Wed Dec 15, 2021 1:06 am

Thanks for posting this Old_Iron. I didn't know that the first batches came with Styrofoam inner boxes. Very cool!

Was that just for the first batch, or did they have Styrofoam for a few months?

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Post by Old_Iron » Wed Dec 15, 2021 1:44 pm

fernieite wrote:
Wed Dec 15, 2021 1:06 am
Thanks for posting this Old_Iron. I didn't know that the first batches came with Styrofoam inner boxes. Very cool!

Was that just for the first batch, or did they have Styrofoam for a few months?
You're welcome.

Those styrofoam boxes in the picture are the only ones I ever seen, probably was a one time thing, just for the first batch of the compact line (OD-1, SP-1 and maybe PH-1, I think that not the PH-1).

As I said in my theory, never saw a PH-1 from the 6400 (NOV 1977) first batch, and never saw a styrofoam PH-1 box.

I have a GE-6 in the mintiest condition that came with the box and manual, it is from the 6600 first batch (JAN 1978), so from the 3rd month of the compact line, and it came in a card board box.

Never saw any pedal from the 6500 batch (DEC 1977) in a box, so I don't know if the styrofoam was used in the second batch also. But it wasn't in the third.

Those OD-1 and SP-1 in the styro boxes are for sale for 498.000 Japanese yen = US$ 4,374.86 (google exchange rate) and they are not in mint condition, the high price is really about the boxes, an extreme rarity.

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Re: Boss PH-1, a theory. WRONG !!!

Post by Old_Iron » Sun Nov 27, 2022 10:34 am

The theory is wrong.

After more than 10 years searching for a 6400 PH-1, I saw one.

So, it is extremely rare but they do exist.

Sorry, I was wrong...Again. :(

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Re: Boss PH-1, a theory. WRONG !!!

Post by fernieite » Sun Nov 27, 2022 1:58 pm

You saw one eh? ;)


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Re: Boss PH-1, a theory. WRONG !!!

Post by Old_Iron » Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:20 pm

Unfortunately it is true, I found one for sale (auction) in japan last week, I asked a seller I know there for years to buy it for me, he said okay, he bought many of my rare pedals in auctions like that before, I always pay him a good commission.

I was watching the PH-1 auction live and it sold for only 27000 yen (US$ 195.00), I immediately emailed him asking if we won, no answer for more than 24 hours, and when he replied, he told me that he missed the auction because he misunderstood the time it would end.

I think he lied, he got greedy and bought it to himself to sell to another costumer for a much higher profit.

That's the second time the same thing happened, recently there was a DS-1 7200 (second batch), also for auction, sold also very cheap and he did the same thing, that time he blamed his internet connection.

I won't do business with him anymore.

I had the PH-1 auction webpage saved, with photos, but I got pissed and deleted everything.

I'm loosing the joy of collecting, tomorrow I will start to sell my spares, and maybe I will put for sell most of the variants too.

I will keep some models I like the most and some rare variants. It's not as fun as it used to be.

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Re: Boss PH-1, a theory. WRONG !!!

Post by fernieite » Sun Nov 27, 2022 6:13 pm

Oh man, sorry to hear that! :x

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Re: Boss PH-1, a theory. WRONG !!!

Post by Dirk » Sun Nov 27, 2022 6:27 pm

People like that spoil the fun for others. I'm not a collector, but I feel your pain, man!

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Re: Boss PH-1, a theory. WRONG !!!

Post by BearBoy » Sun Nov 27, 2022 7:01 pm

Sorry to hear you missed out on that elusive PH-1, Old Iron. Don't let that ruin your enjoyment of the (amazing) collection you have built up though.

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